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1923 CCM Massey men's roadster pictures?
I picked up CCM Massey men's roadster ( single straight top tube) with a C code frame number yesterday. It has a plain fork crown not the three bars I have seen in photos of other Massey bikes.... Did some models come with plain forks? Bike is a one family owner bike and was bought new by the grandfather of the lady I got it from.
seat is too modern (1950's) handle bar stem is a sliding adjustable one so that's wrong and it has been repainted at some time in its 97 years. It has a Eade Coaster rear brake....
does anyone one have a good picture of a 1923 men's CCM Massey roadster?.
regards
Gavin
I have some photocopied catalogue pages from 1923. I cannot tell if they still used the different fork crowns that year. However im pretty sure the fork should take the small axle with vertical dropouts.
Ive been looking for a tall straight top tube frame that uses the post 22 crankset for ages if youre interested in selling or trading.
I have a 1921 and 1922 catalogue.
It shows the Massey with the nicked triple crown.
The straight fork was standard on the Cleveland for those years, but also condiered a "repair" fork on page 40 of the 1921 catalogue. It sold for 6.40$.
Sorry no 1923 catalogue.
Do you have a picture of the bike.
Dave
Hello Gavin, Here are 3 Pages from a 1923 CCM Massey brochure. I think this is what you are looking for. This brochure was loaned to me about 35 years ago by Fred Sainsbury who, I think, was Chief Engineer at CCM for mamy years, also a relative of my wife and a good friend.
Page 10, the Mens Roadster and several others are missing in the photocopies. Have included page 13 the Ladies Roadster.
Ron, www.bicyclepedalrubbers.com
Gavin
Does your bike have the 2 bolts on bottom of the crank hanger. Also is the seat post clamp a nut style rather than pinch bolt style.What makes you think it is 1923/
Here are some pictures....
Non drive side crank arm has Williams on it.... drive side is CCM.
Crank arms don't line up....
Rims look good no bad rust inside.
Frame has been repainted in the past.
I am picking that the following are not correct...
Seat.
Handlebar stem (are bars correct??)
Carrier.
Left crank arm.
Thoughts??
More....
I thought it was a 1923 because the frame number starts with a C.
Oh and the forks could well be wrong.... :)
more......
I think fork has been changed. Fendered are right i would say. Might just be crank pin problem with crank arms not being lined up. Are the rims 622 size or 635.?
That chainring and stem show correct for a 1922 flyer. The rear drop outs are different though. I dont have a flyer picture from 1923 to compare to.
What I do have from 1923 shows kidney bean style chain rings on the roadster and sport with triplex cranks.
Rims seem to be the 635 British 28 1 1/2 which is what I would expect as the bike was sold new in New Zealand.
Sprocket is 50 tooth if that means anything at all....
Thanks for all the help guys!
Does anyone know of any Massey forks for this bike that might be for sale?? Any condition as I can fix anything!
CCM did sell some bikes in Australia and New Zealand with a cottered crank instead of their Triplex crank. It is unlikely that the wheels on the bike are original.
John Williamson
What rear hub did the 1923 CCM Massey have? This bike has an Edie coaster hub.
It probably had a CCM "New Hercules" rear hub. CCM did sell the Eadie rear hub and several others as available parts.
John Williamson
CCM hubs prior to about 1925 didnt come with a brake arm and from what ive read, were prone to spinning in the frame. It seems that most ccm bikes of that era had their hubs upgraded to a better model at some point. If your hub is the correct era then I would suggest keeping it.
Cranks look like they match just need the pins worked on or replaced .
That stem is some sort of racing rig looks strange on that bike.
I would get that checked out .
Fork crown looks British like a Hercules .
Looks like I will be needing a CCM Massey fork and a CCM left hand crank arm in order to build the bike I want from what I have..... will build a fenderless minimal racer look, maybe with wooden rims...
Anyone need 97 year old Massey fenders? Bearing in mind that they are currently in New Zealand.
Anyone have a left side crank arm they would sell?
Thanks
Gavin
gavinnz@xtra.co.nz
Mocked up a racer looking CCM Massey today.... looks the part! I had to cut the front forks to get the stem out so it now has another set of forks on it... they will do the trick, so all I really need in the way of CCM parts now is one left hand 7 inch crank arm. Anyone have one?
Hi Gavin,
I may have the crank arm that you are looking for. It is definitely 7" and it came from an old CCM dealer. It is NOS and appears to be nickel plated. It has a faint stamping of "Utility British Made" on it. When matching crank arms there are a number of variables which I am sure you are aware of. This crank arm takes 1/2" pedals. Other dimensions that may or may not match are the axle diameter and the cotter pin diameter. Let me know if you think that I can help you out. You can email me at jdwillia@telus.net
John Williamson
There is a good chance that the "Utility British Made" crank aem will work. In the '20's and '30's CCM did make their own cottered crank parts. In the catalogue they stated that they were compatable with British made cranks. I know that by 1940, they were supplying only British made cranks. The early CCM cottered cranks are quite rare, and were used on some lower-priced bikes. I had one on an early '30's CCM bike that was sold through Eaton's Department Stores (CCM Crown).
John Williamson
If you are going to use those drop bars you should put that Major Taylor stem back on .
Also your Cranks may not be lining up because one of the pins may be in backwards .
Don't try hammering them out they need to be pushed out with a puller .
Theres also a trick you can do with a vise and a socket .
Cotter pins come in many different dpths. You probably are aware of this. Any time you take apart a cottered crank you risk damaging the original cotter pins. This means that new cotter pins will need to be fitted. The shop where I have bought most of my cotter pins used to have shallow, medium, and deep cut. When a cotter pin of the proper cut for the crank arm and axle combination is fitted, there will be 3/8 to 1/2 inch of thread showing. If you have to file the cotter pins that you have on hand to make them fit, it is quite easy to file one of them so that it has a deeper cut than the other, and this makes the two arms not line up properly. If one arm was replaced and a replacement cotter pin was fitted, it may not have the proper depth of cut. If the replacement arm fits the axle on the bike, has the same length and offset as the original arm, and is tapped for the same pedal size, and it is not worn from being lose on another axle in the past, it should be possible to fit the arm to the bike perfectly with the appropriately filed cotter pin.
John Williamson
If you haven't already solved this it is most likely as bleedingfingers says: when I look at the photos, the cotter pin is installed with the nut side trailing the direction of rotation on both sides. Normally cotters have one leading and one trailing, so removing one pin and putting it in from the other side of the crank arm will likely line things up.
The CCM (Canadian Cycle and Motor Company) Massey Men's Roadster is a vintage bicycle that was manufactured by the Canadian company CCM. CCM is a well-known Canadian bicycle and hockey equipment manufacturer with a rich history dating back to the late 19th century.
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