Thanks Dave. The fork crown and chainring match the Model F brochure that is posted here. The rear hub is a Hercules Brake Patent Pending with a brake arm so im guessing the wheels are from around the mid twenties. The seat and fender appear to be around the same era although im not sure when they started painting the back of the fenders white
The white enamelled mudguard ends appear to have been introduced as a safety feature soemtime during 1935, as they are not mentioned or shown in the 1935 catalogue but are both mentioned and shown in the 1936 catalogue.
I think that laws that required white on the rear fender on bicycles were passed in some jurisdictions in the mid 1930's. Lots of older bicycles had the white painted on the rear fenders. Bicycles, such as the Road Racer, which was often ridden without mudguards, had the seat stays painted white. Maybe other members can add to this information.
Its very possible that the accessories are from the 30s but i didnt know that style of fender was still being made that late. I wonder when that reflector started to be used?
Does anyone know when the closed end fork changed to the verticle slots? It appears the information from 1900 to about 1918 is pretty limited. My 1918 Cleveland fork has vertical slots and my 1900 Dominion has closed ends. But an image in the 1918 catalogue shows a repair fork with a closed end as well.
Asking for help to identify my bike. Has been in the family barn for over 50 years and no one even knows how it came to be there.
My research so far is leaning towards a CCM HYGIENIC CUSHION FRAME, but no idea of the model.
Eadie Coaster rear and Bendix Elmira Front Hub. It has a split bottom bracket with 2 cinch bolts. The strangest part is that the riser and cross bar are 2 peice each? Tubes fit into each other to form straight tubes. No head badge but has a triple fork crown and fork ends are solid not slotted.
I havent stripped it or cleaned it yet but want to do a complete restore and ride it.
My best guess is a mid 1910 CCM but would like to know a model. I know HYGIENIC sold to numerous manufactures.
I have only found this info by researching the web, so please any info is appreciated. Also any ideas about restoration process. Thanks....bob
Submitted by Dave Brown on Tue, 12/10/2019 - 17:25.
Bob
Email pictures that you have of the bike and i will try and help .i have a CCM Massey Hygienic Frame bike so might be able give you a idea on model bikehike@rogers.com
Submitted by Dave Brown on Tue, 12/10/2019 - 18:04.
Looks like it might be a CCM Massey. Are there holes for a head badge. The Massey had a barber pole type head badge so look for the holes at back of head tube.
Hi Bob. Assuming the chainring is original to the bike, which it probably is, the bike was made sometime in the teens. We know it's not earlier because the teeth on the chainring are a half inch apart like a modern bike. Before 1910ish, CCM used 1" pitch chainrings and chains. Since your bike is from the teens, it's missing fenders. In the 1890s, most mens bikes did not have fenders, but by the teens I think it's safe to say that most bikes had them.
The cushion frame bike had a special spring that attached the bottom of the rear fender to the underside of the bottom bracket. It's a simple piece of metal that could be fabricated and added to a regular fender. In the next day or two, I'll try to post a photo of what that spring looks like. If the bike is was made in 1916 or earlier, the front fender was what I call a "shorty" which stops at the fork. In 1917, CCM introduced a longer front fender that continues forward from the fork. These fenders are the rounded type. In the early 1920s, CCM started switching to "Dropside" fenders which have flat sides.
At some point in the bike's life, the top frame tube (and others?) suffered damage from an accident and was repaired. If you want to fix it up, a bicycle frame shop can cut out the bent / damaged tube sections, or entire tubes, and weld in new, straight tubes. Since the bike is a cushion frame model, it would be worth the investment.
Congrats, it's a nice bike to find in the family barn!
p.s. I just noticed your bike has the spring that attaches the bottom of the rear fender to the underside of the bottom bracket. That's good news because it means you can just bolt on a pair of regular fenders. The rounded kind are very difficult to find, so you might want to put on a pair of early Dropside fenders from a similar size bike. If you put a rear fender from a tall frame bike on a short frame bike or vice-versa, there's a good chance the top mounting hole will not line up.
Thanks Brian, I was wondering what that spring plate on the bottom was. I think we have established that the bike is actually a PERFECT based on the front fork crown. And yes I am planning on having the frame tubes replaced. The question is was there any color variences between the ccm bikes or years? As I started this new research project before tearing it appart I came across some interesting things in the 1918 CCM book thats on line, and discovered that as a kid I always had a facination with a lamp that was also in the barn. A family member gave them back to me to add to this project.
I am also looking for a PERFECT head badge. If someone has one for sale or can send me detailed photos I may have one recreated. I know its not authentic but its something I will look into.
Submitted by Dave Brown on Fri, 12/13/2019 - 18:07.
Pretty sure CCM would have used the Hercules rear hub at that time . But the Eadie hub was used at that time also as it shows up in the Hyslop Catalogue for 1922.
Your bike might have had the rear hub and rims changed at some point as a lot of things can change in a 100 or so years on a bike.
I will have to take some paint off as there are no visible holes. Do you have any idea what would have been connected to the the attachment in the above photo. It appears as an original piece.
Did you figure out what Model you have there. Looks like a nice comple bike. Might have had wood rims from new. Maybe late teens early 20's
I'm curious to hear what's written on the head tube badge.
Im not going to see the bike until mid-December when i go to the interior to see my folks. Ill post more pictures as soon as i get some
I got a few pictures of the bike
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PRETTY EARLY BIKE. Still says made in Toronto and still has closed fork ends . Nice seat also.
Thanks Dave. The fork crown and chainring match the Model F brochure that is posted here. The rear hub is a Hercules Brake Patent Pending with a brake arm so im guessing the wheels are from around the mid twenties. The seat and fender appear to be around the same era although im not sure when they started painting the back of the fenders white
Model F
The white enamelled mudguard ends appear to have been introduced as a safety feature soemtime during 1935, as they are not mentioned or shown in the 1935 catalogue but are both mentioned and shown in the 1936 catalogue.
I think that laws that required white on the rear fender on bicycles were passed in some jurisdictions in the mid 1930's. Lots of older bicycles had the white painted on the rear fenders. Bicycles, such as the Road Racer, which was often ridden without mudguards, had the seat stays painted white. Maybe other members can add to this information.
John Williamson
The white seat stays on the Raod Racer and Flyer also first appeared in the 1936 catalogue/
Its very possible that the accessories are from the 30s but i didnt know that style of fender was still being made that late. I wonder when that reflector started to be used?
Does anyone know when the closed end fork changed to the verticle slots? It appears the information from 1900 to about 1918 is pretty limited. My 1918 Cleveland fork has vertical slots and my 1900 Dominion has closed ends. But an image in the 1918 catalogue shows a repair fork with a closed end as well.
Also, is this the Hercules crank set?
Asking for help to identify my bike. Has been in the family barn for over 50 years and no one even knows how it came to be there.
My research so far is leaning towards a CCM HYGIENIC CUSHION FRAME, but no idea of the model.
Eadie Coaster rear and Bendix Elmira Front Hub. It has a split bottom bracket with 2 cinch bolts. The strangest part is that the riser and cross bar are 2 peice each? Tubes fit into each other to form straight tubes. No head badge but has a triple fork crown and fork ends are solid not slotted.
I havent stripped it or cleaned it yet but want to do a complete restore and ride it.
My best guess is a mid 1910 CCM but would like to know a model. I know HYGIENIC sold to numerous manufactures.
I have only found this info by researching the web, so please any info is appreciated. Also any ideas about restoration process. Thanks....bob
photos are to large to upload. any suggestions
Bob
Email pictures that you have of the bike and i will try and help .i have a CCM Massey Hygienic Frame bike so might be able give you a idea on model bikehike@rogers.com
Full photo
Chain ring
Looks like it might be a CCM Massey. Are there holes for a head badge. The Massey had a barber pole type head badge so look for the holes at back of head tube.
Will Look. There was nothing on the front.
I sent more photos to your email address as I am having difficulty to up load them here.
Hi Bob. Assuming the chainring is original to the bike, which it probably is, the bike was made sometime in the teens. We know it's not earlier because the teeth on the chainring are a half inch apart like a modern bike. Before 1910ish, CCM used 1" pitch chainrings and chains. Since your bike is from the teens, it's missing fenders. In the 1890s, most mens bikes did not have fenders, but by the teens I think it's safe to say that most bikes had them.
The cushion frame bike had a special spring that attached the bottom of the rear fender to the underside of the bottom bracket. It's a simple piece of metal that could be fabricated and added to a regular fender. In the next day or two, I'll try to post a photo of what that spring looks like. If the bike is was made in 1916 or earlier, the front fender was what I call a "shorty" which stops at the fork. In 1917, CCM introduced a longer front fender that continues forward from the fork. These fenders are the rounded type. In the early 1920s, CCM started switching to "Dropside" fenders which have flat sides.
At some point in the bike's life, the top frame tube (and others?) suffered damage from an accident and was repaired. If you want to fix it up, a bicycle frame shop can cut out the bent / damaged tube sections, or entire tubes, and weld in new, straight tubes. Since the bike is a cushion frame model, it would be worth the investment.
Congrats, it's a nice bike to find in the family barn!
p.s. I just noticed your bike has the spring that attaches the bottom of the rear fender to the underside of the bottom bracket. That's good news because it means you can just bolt on a pair of regular fenders. The rounded kind are very difficult to find, so you might want to put on a pair of early Dropside fenders from a similar size bike. If you put a rear fender from a tall frame bike on a short frame bike or vice-versa, there's a good chance the top mounting hole will not line up.
Thanks Brian, I was wondering what that spring plate on the bottom was. I think we have established that the bike is actually a PERFECT based on the front fork crown. And yes I am planning on having the frame tubes replaced. The question is was there any color variences between the ccm bikes or years? As I started this new research project before tearing it appart I came across some interesting things in the 1918 CCM book thats on line, and discovered that as a kid I always had a facination with a lamp that was also in the barn. A family member gave them back to me to add to this project.
I am also looking for a PERFECT head badge. If someone has one for sale or can send me detailed photos I may have one recreated. I know its not authentic but its something I will look into.
Would the rear Eadie Coaster Hub be original to this bike? I know its the right age but unsure what CCM used as a standard.
Pretty sure CCM would have used the Hercules rear hub at that time . But the Eadie hub was used at that time also as it shows up in the Hyslop Catalogue for 1922.
Your bike might have had the rear hub and rims changed at some point as a lot of things can change in a 100 or so years on a bike.
Any Idea what this is?
Pretty certain the Eadie hub is original
I have 2 early CCM with that rear hub
For your badge. What is the hole spacing and positioning?
I will have to take some paint off as there are no visible holes. Do you have any idea what would have been connected to the the attachment in the above photo. It appears as an original piece.