Submitted by Wayne.Gillies on Mon, 11/17/2014 - 19:25.
Serial # will be lightly stamped on the upper part of the top tube portion of the seat lug; it will be difficult to see. Could you send me some pictures of the bluebird decal??
Submitted by unionrick on Wed, 11/19/2014 - 11:18.
None of the logos are that clear to see. Ill try to get a few better pictures up. I've owned the bike for 15 years or so and I believe the bike original came from Boston MA. as this is my location as well.Offers are welcome but I was not thinking of parting with it. Just posted it looking for approximate date of the bike.
Submitted by Wayne.Gillies on Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:07.
The rear drop is of a style used post 1925 vice the one shown , which is on my 1921 Flyer, so that would appear to be a start point on dating. The most definitive means of ID would be the serial #, which should be at the previously described location. An exception exists in that it appears that some early flyers were not serialized, possibly because the were custom orders??
Submitted by Wayne.Gillies on Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:38.
An additional point being that your bike may have entered the US market from Buffalo as CCM had a distributing centre there. My Flyer was acquired from upper NY state and the son of the original owner stated that his Dad bought it in Albany,NY. Heres his Dad on it in early 20s
Submitted by Ron Miller on Sun, 12/28/2014 - 16:17.
Hi unionrick. Im interested in the Blue Bird Decal on your 1931 ? Flyer. Could you send a close up photo of the area where the head badge or name plate was? To rk.miller@eastlink .ca Are there 2 holes for screws or do you think it was a decal. There is an early name used on flyers and it was Blue ----- ? Cant just remember what it was will do some digging and see if I can find that refference. Ron
Submitted by unionrick on Wed, 01/07/2015 - 08:08.
Hi Ron , yes this is a Blue Bird Flyer. The head badge is a decal with no holes in the headtube.The headtube and seattube decals are unreadable. The Blue Bird CCM Flyer decal is the only one thats readable.
Submitted by unionrick on Wed, 01/07/2015 - 08:12.
Hi Ron , yes this is a Blue Bird Flyer. The head badge is a decal with no holes in the headtube.The headtube and seattube decals are unreadable. The Blue Bird CCM Flyer decal is the only one thats readable.
Submitted by Wayne.Gillies on Wed, 01/07/2015 - 09:34.
The headbadge is probably the one crowned with a beaver, which myself and the fellow who makes my water slide decals, are currently working on; its difficult, because we want to be completely accurate. Hope to have it out this year. I know this particular decal was in use on a number of CCM bikes from 1921 to 1925, but see no reference to in the catalogues after.
Ron: Do you see any reference to the decal headbadge in 1926 or 27 catalogues? or the 29 onwards. Its not in the 1928. It would be stated in the sentence that outlines the headbadge selection.
Submitted by Ron Miller on Wed, 01/07/2015 - 19:18.
Unionrick I have not been able to find the Blue refference I mentioned. It will surface one day. I have not seen a CCM without a head badge but Wayne obviously has. Ron
Not super familiar with the Flyers earlier than the 30s, but the fork looks more like the one on my 38 Road Racer. It has the flattened fork ends rather than the forged one of later Flyers. Is it a replacement?
Submitted by unionrick on Sat, 01/27/2018 - 06:37.
As far as I can tell everything seems to be original. All the parts look to be be as old as the frame. The wooden rims look to be stock.The fork has the matching blue paint on the inside of the fork blades.Most non painted parts are nickel plated. Ive never seen anything like the pedals using a steel toe strap.
I did a total rebuilt a few years back. Every nut and bolt was cleaned and greased and put back together.
A lot of early cyclists preferred strapless toe clips or ones with a wire strap. The former prevented the foot from sliding forward, off the pedal, and provided a rough guide for proper foot position. The latter did the same but also prevented the foot from sliding sideways, off the pedal. Unlike toe clips with leather straps, both provided easier entry and exit, especially with casual or work footwear. Leather straps tend to become more pliable with age and do not hold shape, unlike a wire strap.
Of course, the advantage with a leather strap is that it can be tightened around the shoe, to hold the foot onto the pedal. When used in conjunction with shoe cleats, it is almost impossible to remove the foot without releasing the strap. This is particulary beneficial to competitve cyclists, as it allows them to drive the pedals thoughout the crank revolution.
For the recreational cyclist who is constantly starting and stopping, tightening and releasing leather straps is bothersome and potentially dangerous. One may not be able to release the stap quickly enough in an emegency situation. Consequently, many cyclists preferred strapless or wire strap toe clips.
Toe clips with wire cages and straps were often generically referred to as wire basket toe clips due to the resemblance to a wire bicycle basket.
When I was competing in the 1970s and 1980s, prior to the introduction of clipless pedal systems, we used to fabricate custom toe clips from wire coat hangers.
As to the age of your Flyer, circa 1930 would be in the ballpark. CCM introduced chrome plating in 1934 and the mid-1920s Flyers that I've seen have not used the lugged head tube.
The 1926 CCM Flyer that was donated to Lea Gault by CCM has a lugged headtube.
Did CCM give to Mr. Gault, a Canadian Racing Champion, to get him off the BSA bike he was racing, a custom bicycle or a bicycle off the assembly line? That, I don't know.
Rick's Flyer looks 1920's, and looks to me like it's nickel plated other than maybe the right crank (ca't see the left crank).
The right crank arm doesn't look like a crank arm for a1920's Flyer, the overall shape and profile is completely different.
Rick, can you tell me if the right and left crank arms match on your bike? Are they stamped CCM? Flyer? Or no stamping?
Lea Gault used a Star racing pedal with a steel toe and leather strap on his 1926 Flyer. I guess it was up to the Racer's preference.
But I was also told by Mr. Gault, that his father had his feet completely/permenantely straped to the pedals for the race to make it as stable as possible. If the racer fell, he fell with the bike. Painful to think about it.
Submitted by unionrick on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 03:57.
The crank arms appear to be matching. The chainring has the CCM stamping on the face of the ring. I'll try to get some new pictures of the crank arms very soon. Those steel toe clips do look to be really uncomfortable but my foot is to big to try it out.
Anyone know the year of this?Thanks Rick
do you want to sell it? i want it
Serial # will be lightly stamped on the upper part of the top tube portion of the seat lug; it will be difficult to see. Could you send me some pictures of the bluebird decal??
CCM flyer pictures
The head badge is not clear, was/is it a decal? Can you provide close up of it? thanx
If you would sell,it I would like to buy it. Any history behind it. Where are you located.
None of the logos are that clear to see. Ill try to get a few better pictures up. I've owned the bike for 15 years or so and I believe the bike original came from Boston MA. as this is my location as well.Offers are welcome but I was not thinking of parting with it. Just posted it looking for approximate date of the bike.
The rear drop is of a style used post 1925 vice the one shown , which is on my 1921 Flyer, so that would appear to be a start point on dating. The most definitive means of ID would be the serial #, which should be at the previously described location. An exception exists in that it appears that some early flyers were not serialized, possibly because the were custom orders??
An additional point being that your bike may have entered the US market from Buffalo as CCM had a distributing centre there. My Flyer was acquired from upper NY state and the son of the original owner stated that his Dad bought it in Albany,NY. Heres his Dad on it in early 20s
Wayne these are some pretty cool photos. Thanks for sharning them.
The frame shows a S2 on it. So it looks to be a 1931?
It certainly would appear so. Att is a link to a 1931 brochure kindly supplied on this site by WpgBikeGuy
http://www.vintageccm.com/content/1931-ccm-brochure
Thanks for the the link content.
http://vintageccm.com/content/1931-ccm-brochure#comment-4194
Hi unionrick. Im interested in the Blue Bird Decal on your 1931 ? Flyer. Could you send a close up photo of the area where the head badge or name plate was? To rk.miller@eastlink .ca Are there 2 holes for screws or do you think it was a decal. There is an early name used on flyers and it was Blue ----- ? Cant just remember what it was will do some digging and see if I can find that refference. Ron
Hi Ron , yes this is a Blue Bird Flyer. The head badge is a decal with no holes in the headtube.
Hi Ron , yes this is a Blue Bird Flyer. The head badge is a decal with no holes in the headtube.The headtube and seattube decals are unreadable. The Blue Bird CCM Flyer decal is the only one thats readable.
Hi Ron , yes this is a Blue Bird Flyer. The head badge is a decal with no holes in the headtube.The headtube and seattube decals are unreadable. The Blue Bird CCM Flyer decal is the only one thats readable.
The headbadge is probably the one crowned with a beaver, which myself and the fellow who makes my water slide decals, are currently working on; its difficult, because we want to be completely accurate. Hope to have it out this year. I know this particular decal was in use on a number of CCM bikes from 1921 to 1925, but see no reference to in the catalogues after.
Ron: Do you see any reference to the decal headbadge in 1926 or 27 catalogues? or the 29 onwards. Its not in the 1928. It would be stated in the sentence that outlines the headbadge selection.
Cheers
No refference to decals in 26, 27 or 29 catalogues. Will keep looking. Ron
Unionrick I have not been able to find the Blue refference I mentioned. It will surface one day. I have not seen a CCM without a head badge but Wayne obviously has. Ron
Ron Miller could you email me. Thanks oldy57 at mymts dot net
This Blue Bird decal is on the down tube of a 1928 Flyer and it has the CCM diamond head badge. Walter
I stand corrected on the 1928 serial number. It's stamped H20 making this a 1926 bike.
CCM Blue Bird down tube decal
could you provide some measurements of the decal please?
Not super familiar with the Flyers earlier than the 30s, but the fork looks more like the one on my 38 Road Racer. It has the flattened fork ends rather than the forged one of later Flyers. Is it a replacement?
As far as I can tell everything seems to be original. All the parts look to be be as old as the frame. The wooden rims look to be stock.The fork has the matching blue paint on the inside of the fork blades.Most non painted parts are nickel plated. Ive never seen anything like the pedals using a steel toe strap.
I did a total rebuilt a few years back. Every nut and bolt was cleaned and greased and put back together.
A lot of early cyclists preferred strapless toe clips or ones with a wire strap. The former prevented the foot from sliding forward, off the pedal, and provided a rough guide for proper foot position. The latter did the same but also prevented the foot from sliding sideways, off the pedal. Unlike toe clips with leather straps, both provided easier entry and exit, especially with casual or work footwear. Leather straps tend to become more pliable with age and do not hold shape, unlike a wire strap.
Of course, the advantage with a leather strap is that it can be tightened around the shoe, to hold the foot onto the pedal. When used in conjunction with shoe cleats, it is almost impossible to remove the foot without releasing the strap. This is particulary beneficial to competitve cyclists, as it allows them to drive the pedals thoughout the crank revolution.
For the recreational cyclist who is constantly starting and stopping, tightening and releasing leather straps is bothersome and potentially dangerous. One may not be able to release the stap quickly enough in an emegency situation. Consequently, many cyclists preferred strapless or wire strap toe clips.
Toe clips with wire cages and straps were often generically referred to as wire basket toe clips due to the resemblance to a wire bicycle basket.
When I was competing in the 1970s and 1980s, prior to the introduction of clipless pedal systems, we used to fabricate custom toe clips from wire coat hangers.
As to the age of your Flyer, circa 1930 would be in the ballpark. CCM introduced chrome plating in 1934 and the mid-1920s Flyers that I've seen have not used the lugged head tube.
The 1926 CCM Flyer that was donated to Lea Gault by CCM has a lugged headtube.
Did CCM give to Mr. Gault, a Canadian Racing Champion, to get him off the BSA bike he was racing, a custom bicycle or a bicycle off the assembly line? That, I don't know.
Rick's Flyer looks 1920's, and looks to me like it's nickel plated other than maybe the right crank (ca't see the left crank).
The right crank arm doesn't look like a crank arm for a1920's Flyer, the overall shape and profile is completely different.
Rick, can you tell me if the right and left crank arms match on your bike? Are they stamped CCM? Flyer? Or no stamping?
Lea Gault used a Star racing pedal with a steel toe and leather strap on his 1926 Flyer. I guess it was up to the Racer's preference.
But I was also told by Mr. Gault, that his father had his feet completely/permenantely straped to the pedals for the race to make it as stable as possible. If the racer fell, he fell with the bike. Painful to think about it.
The crank arms appear to be matching. The chainring has the CCM stamping on the face of the ring. I'll try to get some new pictures of the crank arms very soon. Those steel toe clips do look to be really uncomfortable but my foot is to big to try it out.
Decal size
So, approx. 22 cm across? can you run a paper over it and mark one edge then the other then messure on a flat surface. Would be perfect.
22mm that is