Submitted by Dave Brown on Sat, 04/04/2015 - 10:23.
Hi John
Does it have 2 pinch bolts at bottom of bottom bracket. Also is there a clamp to thighten the handle bar stem intead of a bolt down the stem. better pictures of the crank and head stock might help. Also sprocket.
The frame construction is of a type that was never used by CCM in the early days (it appears to be lugged at the head tube). It also has a headset clip instead of a nut, which was something often found on English bicycles. Before CCM completely dominated the bicycle market in Canada, some firms were importing English made bicycles with equipment that was somewhat similar to CCM's. Unfortunately, the fork has been bent back on this bicycle. The original wheels have probably been replaced or the bicycle was put together in Canada using some imported parts and some Canadian parts.
On close examination, it appears that the fork may be a CCM fork that has been used with an early English frame (possibly even made by Raleigh). If you look at the front tire clearance underneath the fork crown, it appears to be much less than the rear tire clearance underneath the bridge on the seat stays. The fork may have been taken from a CCM ladies bike and have a long header tube. In order to take up all of this space, someone in the past may have installed the headset clip.
Submitted by Dave Brown on Sat, 04/04/2015 - 19:46.
i don't think that is a U K frame. Skip tooth chain and your right about the 4 bolt sproket. Can't tell for sure but to me that looks like the seat post is on backwords and has a post that goes though the seat post stem front and back of stem post. If so very early Just my take could be wrong.
Dave The seat post is on backwords and is the early style. I think I can see the bolt under the BB also. I copied the pictures on my computer and blew it up, easier to see. Would love to see the original fork. If this one is bent maybe the original was bent. How dis those rims last this long.
One reason I thought that the actual frame might be English is the rear tire clearance from the seat stays bridge (which also has a hole drilled in it - for a brake??). The clearance is such that you could fit an English 28 X 1 1/2 (635) wheel and tire quite easily with plenty of clearance left. Anyone who is willing to fit a different fork with a headclip to the frame might also find a way to fit an inch pitch sprocket to the crank .....just speculating. Better pictures would be helpful.
The wheels are almost certainly replacements. It doesn't look like any Weston era product I've seen. While I haven't seen a lot of pre-Weston era CCM, I've never seen one with straight chainstays, like on this bicycle. The pre-Weston CCM that I've seen typically have a a slight wishboning at the bridge. As sted, the pre-Weston CCM that I have been have also been lugless construction, unlike this. The fork is definitely reminescent of CCM and could also be a replacement. While the cinch style headset is typical of many Europea models, it also has what appears to be a single piece crankset which would be atypical for European bicycles. I'd like to see a good, drive side picture of the crankset.
Hi John
Does it have 2 pinch bolts at bottom of bottom bracket. Also is there a clamp to thighten the handle bar stem intead of a bolt down the stem. better pictures of the crank and head stock might help. Also sprocket.
The frame construction is of a type that was never used by CCM in the early days (it appears to be lugged at the head tube). It also has a headset clip instead of a nut, which was something often found on English bicycles. Before CCM completely dominated the bicycle market in Canada, some firms were importing English made bicycles with equipment that was somewhat similar to CCM's. Unfortunately, the fork has been bent back on this bicycle. The original wheels have probably been replaced or the bicycle was put together in Canada using some imported parts and some Canadian parts.
John Williamson
Thanks Dave & John. The bike is not mine, but I will alert the gentleman who made the inquiry.
John
yep, and tell him a good bike repair place could repair that fork...
Maybe you could ask him to put the lamp on the right way as well. Ron
On close examination, it appears that the fork may be a CCM fork that has been used with an early English frame (possibly even made by Raleigh). If you look at the front tire clearance underneath the fork crown, it appears to be much less than the rear tire clearance underneath the bridge on the seat stays. The fork may have been taken from a CCM ladies bike and have a long header tube. In order to take up all of this space, someone in the past may have installed the headset clip.
John Williamson
I agree with John. That fork doesn't look right on the older bike.
Ron you caught that from the picture. I only noticed it now.
It looks like that is a 4 bolt skip tooth kidney bean chainring on it.
i don't think that is a U K frame. Skip tooth chain and your right about the 4 bolt sproket. Can't tell for sure but to me that looks like the seat post is on backwords and has a post that goes though the seat post stem front and back of stem post. If so very early Just my take could be wrong.
Dave The seat post is on backwords and is the early style. I think I can see the bolt under the BB also. I copied the pictures on my computer and blew it up, easier to see. Would love to see the original fork. If this one is bent maybe the original was bent. How dis those rims last this long.
One reason I thought that the actual frame might be English is the rear tire clearance from the seat stays bridge (which also has a hole drilled in it - for a brake??). The clearance is such that you could fit an English 28 X 1 1/2 (635) wheel and tire quite easily with plenty of clearance left. Anyone who is willing to fit a different fork with a headclip to the frame might also find a way to fit an inch pitch sprocket to the crank .....just speculating. Better pictures would be helpful.
John Williamson.
The fork may get too thin as it gets close to its ends to be a CCM fork.
John
The wheels are almost certainly replacements. It doesn't look like any Weston era product I've seen. While I haven't seen a lot of pre-Weston era CCM, I've never seen one with straight chainstays, like on this bicycle. The pre-Weston CCM that I've seen typically have a a slight wishboning at the bridge. As sted, the pre-Weston CCM that I have been have also been lugless construction, unlike this. The fork is definitely reminescent of CCM and could also be a replacement. While the cinch style headset is typical of many Europea models, it also has what appears to be a single piece crankset which would be atypical for European bicycles. I'd like to see a good, drive side picture of the crankset.
also missing a pedal, anyone have a spare?