Hub sets on 30s CCMs

Submitted by 1936CCM on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 04:02

Hello, I recently bought a '36 Red Bird which unfortuneately has been ridden pretty hard by previous owners (it was rpainted some time before '45, which is plain to see because it still has the license sticker). The drive train is useable, but the teeth are pretty shark-toothed.
Anyhow - is it reasonable that this CCM would have had a Perry rear hub? The front wheel is also stamped "Made in England." Both of the wheels and rims certainly look period, but they could have been replaced back when the bike was repainted.

My '42 has both of its hubs stamped CCM...

Any explanation would be appreciated

8 Comments

Submitted by Old-Bikes on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 08:11.

do you have pictures? I guess pre 1937 bikes should have the 1926 patent hub, post 1937 bikes should have the 1937 patent hub. can't tell for the front hub though.

Submitted by Dave Brown on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 08:17.

Your bike should have  CCM improved Coaster brake with side arm Also CCM marked front hub. I would say the rims would be Dunlop painted to match bike and striped.

Dave

Submitted by 1936CCM on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 21:53.

I've never seen a hub stamped "Perry & Co Ltd Birmingham" which is what leads me, aside from how genuinely old looking the finish is, to believe its period

Submitted by Old-Bikes on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 22:15.

if you're looking for good rims, I have a set I could let go... wink

leobellavance@gmail.com

Submitted by Lawrence Ruskin on Tue, 02/12/2013 - 11:46.

Your sure that's a repaint?

I had a 41 with a yellow orange paint job

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nice bike

Submitted by Wayne.Gillies on Tue, 02/12/2013 - 15:40.

  I just looked at my 1936 catalogue.   With the exception of the Road Racer, which used British made front and rear racing hubs, all other factory models used CCM built front and rear hubs.   The factory finishes were maroon and blue with triple peak transfers. 

Just because the factory built bikes were assembled to an exact regimen, that is not to say you could not request a custom order, and, CCM encouraged this, for an additional cost. You could order any paint scheme; you could request other custom features available in the CCM catalogues; you did not have to use the standard 1566 pedals; you could order the Gibsons, etc. 

As far as the rear hub on this bike goes, the CCM catalogue does not list the Perry hub as an option, so unless it was put on by the dealer at the time of purchase, it is unlikely it is original to the bike; likewise the front.

It is always nice, if undertaking a complete restoration, to follow the parameters set out in the catalogues and have a period correct FACTORY  bicycle.

BUT... what of the unknown, especially with custom orders which do not adhere to a strict build protocol WRT paint, brightwork, hubs, etc.  We can only research as best we can, utilizing forums and friends to assist, then make a decision.

In short, this leads to the question of to restore or not...embark on a complete restoration, a sympathetic clean-up, leave it alone or do what you want to do with it...its yours and you are the steward for only a short period of time ( don't forget, if a vintage bike has made it this far, its going to outlast you), so anything you do to the bike should be done with respect for the bike and yourself, whether a radical build or complete restoration.

I'd better get off the soapbox, Cheers, Wayne

Submitted by 1936CCM on Tue, 02/12/2013 - 16:05.

I can't thank you properly Wayne, I never expected to get that detailed and precise of an answer! Only made this account a couple days ago, but the community here is amazing.
Much Appreciated!
I'm going to leave it as is, except that I'm putting on new stainless steel spokes, since I work at a bike shop I get them for easily half price. Love what you said about the vintage bikes outlasting us, thats completely how I feel too and would never destroy a true antique because of that.

Lawrence  - Its a repaint, a very nice repaint from a distance, but a repaint nonetheless. Whoever did it got overspray in all the typical places, but managed to keep if off the headbadge (thank goodness!) and the wheels.

Kind of handy that though my '42 snapped a spoke the other day that I have some nice old ones to use off of this bike.

Submitted by OldRider on Sun, 02/24/2013 - 22:25.

I have a 1936 CCM built Hudson Bay Ranger, I know for a fact its 100 % original, I'm only the second owner. At first the rear hub had me really confused, there is nothing stamped on the hub to indicate what it is, the brake arm has nothing on it either. But when I opened up the hub everything inside was stamped CCM, mystery solved :)