Massey info

Submitted by Geronimo09 on Fri, 05/24/2019 - 19:36

I recently rescued this Massey badged bike.  The frame dropouts have been brazed and so the frame isn't in great shape.  I first saw the bike all together and bought all of the parts the next time I saw it, all parted out and ready to go to the four corners of the earth.  How many of the parts are original? Any guess as to the year? The serial number is K4580 as far as I can tell. 

I will try and post pictures but have been frustrated in the past trying to post pictures of things I think the members might find interesting and so have just deleted my post due to embarassment as my pictures sometimes appear sideways and I see duplicates of the same picture.  I apologize, I like old stuff, I am not very good with websites, posting pictures and such but do have a desire to share.

I tried to post pictures of the crank, sprocket and frame but they all exceeded 2 mb.  Some of my pictures are bigger than 2 mb and some smaller.   Why? I don't know.  And I don't know how to change that so if this bike and its parts are of interest to you (it's not  for sale) please send me your e mail address and I will send you a few other photos.  In the meantime, thanks very much.  I have met so many helpful people on this site and really appreciate the expertise and help people have given.  I hope to post some pictures of an early CCM (one year only?) tricycle shortly.

Lyle 

8 Comments

Submitted by Geronimo09 on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 08:37.

Another member kindly let me know how to reduce the picture size to get within the 2 mb allowed per picture, so let me try and post a few more pictures of the parts that were sold to me as a Massey.  Any information most appreciated.

thanks

Lyle 

.....looks like most of them loaded, I still cannot upload a decent one of the entire frame.  The frame is a single bar with a hump in it.....

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Submitted by jdwillia on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 10:13.

Hello,

Your Massey is an interesting find. The year of the bike is late 1926 or 1927. From the pictures that you have posted, only the handlebar stem appears to be wrong for this bicycle. If you have the wheels, the rear hub may have a brake arm on it and a patent date of 1926. CCM also moved from wooden rims to steel rims around 1927, although wooden rims could be purchased from CCM after this date and steel rims could also be bought many years prior to 1927.

John Williamson

Submitted by gtflyte on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 11:43.

Hi Lyle maybe I can load the frame picture for u 

Submitted by gtflyte on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 11:46.

Enjoy

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Submitted by Geronimo09 on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 12:43.

Thanks John for the info and Greg for loading that frame picture. As mentioned before, the frame is pretty rough with brazing at the dropouts and elsewhere.  Everything else seems to be in pretty good condition for the age. Are the motorbike style forks original to a '26 or '27? 

The headbadge seems to have new-ish rivets holding it to the head tube, and the horizontal scratching on the head tube made me think that maybe someone re badged a non Massey frame.  I am happy to have your opinion that the frame is correct for the ribbon, - perhaps the scratching was a result of a delivery basket mount?

I do have the wheels, at least the ones that were sold with it.  I will take some photos and post them.  

I sure appreciate the wealth of knowledge you folks have.

Lyle 

Submitted by Geronimo09 on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 13:24.

Here are some pictures of the wheels and hubs that came with the Massey.  The rear hub is a 1937 patent, the front hub says Made in England.  Two different paint schemes on the rims.  

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Submitted by jdwillia on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 14:23.

The headbadge and the forks show that the frame started life as a Massey. In the early days, CCM used different fork crowns for different models. For example, the CCM Cleveland used a flat fork crown while the CCM Massey used a triple plate crown. Your fork is the correct fork for the frame. The early Motorbike frames also had forks with integrated truss rods.

The wheels are another story. As you may suspect, the rear wheel is from a 1937 to 1942 CCM Deluxe model. These were marked "28 X 1 3/4 W.O. Dunlop Made in England". The front wheel is not from a CCM, but rather an English-made bike  that was sold in Canada. It may have 32 spokes (instead of spoking wheels 36/36, the English used 32/40, front and rear). I might possibly still have some wheels that I took off of a 1927 Massey.

John Williamson

Submitted by Geronimo09 on Sat, 05/25/2019 - 21:11.

Thanks, John,

If you have some 27 Massey wheels and they are in decent shape and you would consider repatriating them with a '27 Massey, I would be happy to talk to you about the cost of such a manoever.  I can use the rear wheel that came with the Massey for another bike.  Everyone has been super helpful, 

thanks

Lyle