Help Identifying this bike. I think 1920 ish CCM Cleveland?

Any thought's on value would also be welcome, I'm not really sure what it's worth.

 Bike is CCM Built and Iwould say you have the right age pinned. But Ithink it has the wrong head badge on it . The badge has 2 holes ,top and bottom that are not used. Badge looks to be on there a long time . Bike looks in nice original shape. Great looking saddle from what  I can see.

It seems to have the wrong fork for a Cleveland.

That badge was a generic one available for purchase by cyclists whose bike badge was lost, damaged, or stolen. Here it is on page 60 of the 1922 Hyslop catalogue (available free online). The crankset and fork look CCM (not Cleveland) although the fenders do not. What is stamped on the rear hub? With that straight top tube and those fenders, it looks late teens to early 20s.

The fenders are the type used on the CCM Standard. It is difficult to determine if the CCM Models F and M, and the Standard were actually made by CCM. The catalogues may only say "Made in Canada" . Many of the parts on these bicycles were made by CCM. The original crank may have been replaced with a Triplex crank. The sprocket used appears in the 1918 CCM parts and accessories catalogue, but is not the type shown in the 1915 catalogue.

Thank's for all the information! Especially Brian, that headtube badge has been driving me nuts.

You're right Dave, the saddle is in fantastic shape. asside from a couple drips of what look like white house paint.

If it isn't a cleveland, what model would it be? I've added a photo of the fork crown, as well as the serial number. I think it's 21844. The crank is also stamped C.C.M. if that helps. The hub is stamped "Hercules Brakes pat. pending" although it is extremely faint.

This bike appears to be made up from a ModelT frame, as shown in the 1918 CCM Parts and Accesories catalogue. This frame cane with the Model T crank that CCM used from 1917 to 1923. Other parts that are fitted to this bike could have been purchased seperately. When CCM sold frames, they offered headbadges that could be fitted to the frames. These were not the typical CCM brands (Cleveland, Perfect, Massey... etc.) but names like Winner, Ranger, Victor etc..You are lucky to have found a complete, original example from this era. My guess is that it could be worth something like $750.

This is the frame John mentions, from pg 28 of the 1918 CCM catalogue available online. Is this the same fork? It's hard to tell from the catalogue pic.

I thought that the fork looked like the fork used on the Model F. If it was a Model F, someone must have switched the crank. As it is, the left crank arm with CCM on it has been switched.

In any case, we can conclude from the look of the frame, the crankset and the rear hub, that it's a CCM. If you want to figure out how it was badged originally, your best bet is to remove the Victor badge, look for any "ghost" impression of the original badge, and measure the distance between any original badge screw holes you can find. My guess is the Victor badge has been there since the 20s or 30s, so a ghost outline is unlikely. If you can match the original screw holes with any period correct CCM badge, I would go with that.

...In other words, if you tell us the original badge hole measurement(s), maybe someone here can suggest a CCM badge to put on. Measuring from the center of the holes is probably best.

The Model F, M, and T frames never had CCM badges on them. They only put on generic badges like Pastime, Ranger Winner etc. It is difficult to know what headbadge this bike had on it originally. If it was a Model F or M frame, the chances are that it was sold by CCM but not made by them. CCM would only state that they were "Made in Canada".

This is what the Model F and Model M frames look like.

Some years ago i had bike like the model M frame and fork style with a Pastime head badge on it. it had one piece crank on it. Also this was a very original bike so am pretty sure it came that way.Fenders where I think the same style but the front fender only came the the fork blades Had wood rims on it that were perfect and I still have them on my Massey Silver Ribbon.

Dave

Here are some pictures of a very similar bike i have

http://vintageccm.com/content/bike-id

I should note that this bike which appears to be a model F has an unusual bottom bracket. The axle and bearings are the same size as the later years but the cups have a smaller outside diameter. Im not sure it would be possible to fit a model T axle which uses much different cups.

Thanks for the insight everyone!

I wanted to give an update as I've been going through the bike, looking at the for and the frame I've been thinking it is either a model M or T. After cleaning up the front hub it has "New Departure Model M" stamped on it. Unless the wheels were swapped, which is obviously possible, I think it's fair to conclude that this is a Model M that had the chain ring replaced for that of a model T style. Especially as it was noted above that at least one of the cranks was swapped as well as at least one of the bottom bracket races as the machining between the left and right is quite different.

As far as the headtube badge is concerned, I don't plan to remove it. This bike isn't getting a repaint or anything, it's way too original for that, and I'm perfectly happy with it being badged a Victor. It's been on there this long, who am I to change that?

My model M with a one piece crank wouldn't fit Model T axle. The M one piece crank is basically the same as the later model one piece cranks.

so model M wheels swapped onto a model T frame?

Model T frame with a replacement fork. 

New departure hub is likely not original being a popular American brand. The bike would have likely been fitted with a CCM branded hub